Dirt Squirt Compression Test
Dirt Squirt Compression Test
A young man named Caden just acquired a 1974 Dirt Squirt today. He did a compression test and is getting readings of like 202 psi!
Not sure what could be calling this. Stock 922501 head, std bore, 2 ring piston, 2 bolt Ace intake manifold. Gets the same reading whether carb is bolted on and throttle is fully open, or if he removes the carb and tests without it!
Any ideas, other than if someone milled the head down? That’s the only thing I can think of. Not a case of having a Super Rat head on an Ace cylinder/piston. Had him check that. Victor
Not sure what could be calling this. Stock 922501 head, std bore, 2 ring piston, 2 bolt Ace intake manifold. Gets the same reading whether carb is bolted on and throttle is fully open, or if he removes the carb and tests without it!
Any ideas, other than if someone milled the head down? That’s the only thing I can think of. Not a case of having a Super Rat head on an Ace cylinder/piston. Had him check that. Victor
1978 175SL
1976 03 Wombat
1975 99 Road Toad (2)
1973 96 Dirt Squirt (2)
1973 “Wombat Combat”
1973 Combat Wombat
1972 94 Wombat (2)
1972 Super Squirt
1971 92B+ Ace
1970 92B Ace 100B (2)
1968 92 Ace 100
1966 Ace 90
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Re: Dirt Squirt Compression Test
Defective pressure gauge???
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Does it run? check the gage against any air compressor. Is the piston the correct hodaka part? Is the exhaust port pluged? Is it hard to turn over with the kick start? What are your thoughts Victor> ----------- Clarence
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Here are the general concepts I would follow to ferret out the problem:
1. Confirm that the compression tester gauge is giving proper readings. The fact that it is giving the same reading over multiple tests is interesting . . . but not dependable. What if the actual compression is 150psi, but the gauge is (inaccurately) presenting that reading as 210psi?
2. The "appearance" of the head being stock may be misleading. It would not be unusual to bump into a "shaved" head. It may require some detailed inquiry about the "squish" dimension of the head to eliminated the possibility of a "shaved" head.
3. Proper head gasket in use. Stock head gasket thickness is on the order of .56mm (.022").
Ed
1. Confirm that the compression tester gauge is giving proper readings. The fact that it is giving the same reading over multiple tests is interesting . . . but not dependable. What if the actual compression is 150psi, but the gauge is (inaccurately) presenting that reading as 210psi?
2. The "appearance" of the head being stock may be misleading. It would not be unusual to bump into a "shaved" head. It may require some detailed inquiry about the "squish" dimension of the head to eliminated the possibility of a "shaved" head.
3. Proper head gasket in use. Stock head gasket thickness is on the order of .56mm (.022").
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
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Re: Dirt Squirt Compression Test
Must be quite a job to kick over.
If not, I'd suggest trying a different gage.
A new Lisle brand one is reasonably priced. Easy to find online.
If not, I'd suggest trying a different gage.
A new Lisle brand one is reasonably priced. Easy to find online.
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I was shown a pic of the bottom of the head to confirm the part number was a 922501 head & not a 932601 Super Rat head. Is it just me or does it look like the head has file marks on it? Here’s the pic.
It appears that it is not only an all stock configuration, it also has a std bore, 2 ring Ace piston and a 922501 Ace cylinder head with a 2 bolt Ace intake on the cylinder. Stock head gasket as well.
So my guess is someone milled the head down, possibly with a mill bastard file, based on the scratch lines in the photo? What do you think?
Or does it appear that there’s a significant enough carbon build up in the head to reduce the size of the squish area enough to cause the increase in compression? Victor
It appears that it is not only an all stock configuration, it also has a std bore, 2 ring Ace piston and a 922501 Ace cylinder head with a 2 bolt Ace intake on the cylinder. Stock head gasket as well.
So my guess is someone milled the head down, possibly with a mill bastard file, based on the scratch lines in the photo? What do you think?
Or does it appear that there’s a significant enough carbon build up in the head to reduce the size of the squish area enough to cause the increase in compression? Victor
1978 175SL
1976 03 Wombat
1975 99 Road Toad (2)
1973 96 Dirt Squirt (2)
1973 “Wombat Combat”
1973 Combat Wombat
1972 94 Wombat (2)
1972 Super Squirt
1971 92B+ Ace
1970 92B Ace 100B (2)
1968 92 Ace 100
1966 Ace 90
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Well, that certainly isn't the factory finish on the cylinder head sealing face, but it could have been lapped for flatness - and that might not be the issue.
NOTE: The "squish" area is the thin "doughnut ring" of air/fuel volume surrounding the main part of the combustion chamber. Normally, there is a "step" at the outer edge of the "squish band" - commonly .010" or .020" or more. That "thickness" combined with the thickness of the head gasket provides for a ring of compressed fuel/air which is in close proximity to metal (piston on one side and head on the other) which allows for relatively easy escape of compression heat into the metal . . . which helps keep the compressed gases away from detonation temperatures and pressures. If the squish band "thickness" in the head has gone to zero thru head mods - - - that may be a hint compression has been significantly changed by some long lost previous owner.
NOTE: I don't have a loose "92" head to check for squish band at the edge. Sorry.
Ed
NOTE: The "squish" area is the thin "doughnut ring" of air/fuel volume surrounding the main part of the combustion chamber. Normally, there is a "step" at the outer edge of the "squish band" - commonly .010" or .020" or more. That "thickness" combined with the thickness of the head gasket provides for a ring of compressed fuel/air which is in close proximity to metal (piston on one side and head on the other) which allows for relatively easy escape of compression heat into the metal . . . which helps keep the compressed gases away from detonation temperatures and pressures. If the squish band "thickness" in the head has gone to zero thru head mods - - - that may be a hint compression has been significantly changed by some long lost previous owner.
NOTE: I don't have a loose "92" head to check for squish band at the edge. Sorry.
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
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I think I have a loose Ace 100 head in my parts cabinet. I’ll pull it tomorrow & check it.
Are you saying there is a missing ring with this head? That’s what I was thinking as well. Victor
Are you saying there is a missing ring with this head? That’s what I was thinking as well. Victor
1978 175SL
1976 03 Wombat
1975 99 Road Toad (2)
1973 96 Dirt Squirt (2)
1973 “Wombat Combat”
1973 Combat Wombat
1972 94 Wombat (2)
1972 Super Squirt
1971 92B+ Ace
1970 92B Ace 100B (2)
1968 92 Ace 100
1966 Ace 90
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The "squish" area is in blue. There should be a "step" at the OD of the squish area from the sloping squish band to the sealing surface of the head.
EdKeep the rubber side down!
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And that’s missing! So I’ve advised him 200 psi is too high a compression & to get a stock head. Thanks folks! Victor
1978 175SL
1976 03 Wombat
1975 99 Road Toad (2)
1973 96 Dirt Squirt (2)
1973 “Wombat Combat”
1973 Combat Wombat
1972 94 Wombat (2)
1972 Super Squirt
1971 92B+ Ace
1970 92B Ace 100B (2)
1968 92 Ace 100
1966 Ace 90
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Re: Dirt Squirt Compression Test
Shaved head. Cool. Fill 'er up with a little C-14 mixed 20:1 with racing castor. BRRRRRRRAAAAP!
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