1973 Wombat 94a?

[Poiu]

I have what I think is a 1973 wombat 94a that I'm planning on selling but I wasn't sure what to ask for it. The frame number is c23139 and the engine number is h16698. I would really appreciate any info I could get.

[JackM]

Those are the correct letters for a model 94a Wombat. Where are you located?

[Poiu]

Minnesota

[givergas]

as a wise man said, many parts to minnesota what part are you in.......

[viclioce]

Though you are a long way from Santa Fe, NM, I might be interested in it if the price is right.

Does the motor run? Has it ever been bored? If so, at what oversize is it now? Do you have the air box or has it gone missing? Full wire harness or just the blue & black wire off the exciter coil? Where in Minnesota are you? Victor

[taber hodaka]

Several reply's disappeared here?? ----------Clarence

[Poiu]

Does the motor run? Has it ever been bored? If so, at what oversize is it now? Do you have the air box or has it gone missing? Full wire harness or just the blue & black wire off the exciter coil? Where in Minnesota are you? Victor

Haven't touched it, not sure if it's worth messing with. No idea. Only have what's in the pics. Haven't looked, will tomorrow. Cambridge.

Several reply's disappeared here?? ----------Clarence

My guess is people thought this was in the classified section.

[Thunderdogdownunder]

Looks like ally rims on it ..

[Poiu]

Looks like ally rims on it ..

Definitely has aluminum rims.

I checked this morning and there are only blue and black wires. I should have said in the first post that it shifts thru all 5 gears and kicks over.

[viclioce]

I should have said in the first post that it shifts thru all 5 gears and kicks over.

OK. Does this mean the motor is free but doesn’t run? Just trying to be clear. Have you come up with a price yet? Victor

[Poiu]

OK. Does this mean the motor is free but doesn’t run? Just trying to be clear. Have you come up with a price yet? Victor

Motor is free haven't check for spark or anything. I started the thread to get a value and no one has given me any idea yet.

[dirty_rat]

The reason no one has given you a price is because there are too many unknowns. Just because the bike shifts through all 5 gears and the motor turns over doesn't mean it's in good shape. A bike with a blown piston, bad bearings and stripped gears will do all the things you listed, but will need a total rebuild. It is missing many parts, both that can be seen and possible unseen parts. It has some non-stock parts on it, so how it has been treated in the past is unknown (the wheels and rims, while an upgrade, could have been changed because the originals were trashed... or just to get better parts, only the person who changed them knows). The way it sits now, without any further information, I would only buy it as a parts bike and wouldn't pay more than a couple of hundred dollars for it. But, if the engine is in good shape, and most of the missing parts can be found, it would be worth much more.

[viclioce]

What dirty_rat says is very true. I don’t pay more than $3-400 for a bike which doesn’t run and it has to be within a 4-5 hour driving distance max! I last bought a 1971 Ace 100 B+ which was 100% there, with an extra tranny, extra seat, extra tail light and a full set of used cables for $400 as well as 2 Road Toad frames, one set of wheels, bars and everything to make a complete Toad, plus an extra bottom end, second fuel tank, and most of the add on frame parts like head light, reflectors & lost of misc parts which still didn’t add up to a second bike also for $400. And they were all from the same seller & a 5 hour drive away, one way.

Your bike may at a minimum need a complete motor rebuild, new seat, possibly fenders, no telling what shape your pipe is in and no telling what missing items are needed. Plus it needs s complete airbox & filter. Unless you can say it’s a starting, running machine, it’s just a cheap beginning to an expensive restoration, which will cost more than the bike will be worth when it is completed.

This is why it’s so hard to give you a price with so little info. If you were within 5 hours from me and it could be started and ridden, it might be worth $6-700 as it sits. If it can’t be started & ridden, it’s worth maybe $250-350 to someone close enough to come get it. For me, it’s a minimum 2 day drive & there’s fuel & lodging costs to get there. So if it doesn’t run at all, it would cost me around $600 just to come and get it.

That’s why pricing is difficult, unless you find someone who DESIRES the bike locally. I have a motor I could put in the rolling chassis, but a rolling chassis that far away from me would only be worth $250-300 IF you met me half way between where you live & where I live. And yes, I’m in the market for a Model 94 or 94A. I’m in Santa Fe, New Mexico. ;ugeek: Victor

[thrownchain]

So we've come up with $200 up to maybe $450 in as is condition. It will need a lot of work to be a runner even if the motor is in decent shape, although a rebuild would be a good idea. From the pics the forks need a rebuild, the rims may or may not be round even if they are Aluminum, and the steering stem bearings should be lubed. How's the tank? Are there any dents? How's the interior? Rusty? Is the clutch cover above the sprocket broken? Is the pipe good or dented? Are the fenders useable? All these and more are variables that will effect the price up or down as well as you location. Long way to drive for some to be able to do a pick up.

[Poiu]

Thanks for all the responses. I had no idea that the rims aren't stock or that it has so many issues. It sounds like parting it out on ebay would be the best idea?

[matt glascock]

If the price is right and you still have it next summer, I'll swing by and check it out on my way to the Grand Rapids area. I am hitting a hare scrambles up there is June. Its sort of cool keeping a bike like that together. Its a pretty good start for a rider. That is the correct 94a pipe, but is the silencer/spark arrestor present?

[Poiu]

If the price is right and you still have it next summer, I'll swing by and check it out on my way to the Grand Rapids area. I am hitting a hare scrambles up there is June. Its sort of cool keeping a bike like that together. Its a pretty good start for a rider. That is the correct 94a pipe, but is the silencer/spark arrestor present?

So you say keep it together? The others make it sound like a parts bike.

[viclioce]

I don’t think anyone said sell it for parts. But a non-running motorcycle with missing & questionable parts is usually considered, price wise, to only have the value of a parts bike. And your question was “What’s it worth?”. Victor

[thrownchain]

I'd say sell it complete as a project, all the major stuff is there and shouldn't be too hard to source the rest, just time and $$. You could parts it out on ebay, but there will be some parts you may not sell, like the frame. My personal rule is if the bike is 75 percent complete, which this one is, then it should be sold that way. There are too many being parted out, and every one that is ,is one less being revived. These aren't like the big 4 Japanese, these were built in much smaller numbers so any that stay complete keep the history going. But it is your call.

[thrownchain]

And this could be a good base if someone wanted to build a "special".

[thrownchain]

This would sell quick at Hodaka Days.

[Poiu]

The way it sits now, without any further information, I would only buy it as a parts bike and wouldn't pay more than a couple of hundred dollars for it.

His shelf or someone else's for 200-400 or help others finish theirs for more and not have to play with Craigslist or drive half way across the country. Ebay never sounds like the easy thing but it's sounding better and better with each post.

[matt glascock]

"Parts bike" is a term used to describe anything from a complete but nonrunning bike to a roller with a few bits still attached. I see the term used a lot on ebay because it eases some of the seller's requirements for listing the bike. Its always nice to keep a bike like that as complete as possible because it is a good start for a restoration -for sure as a dirt bike rider or even an mx bike and for someone with the time, deep pockets, or parts stash, a return to stock form. Also, a lot of parts are fairly commonly available and inexpensive. You are also missing a few of the more desirable parts (speedo, headlight, turn signals, switch, battery box and main switch, air box, etc) for restoration to stock form. These were commonly stripped off the bike for mx work (the alloy wheels with the knobbies were a common mx upgrade too). The bike likely spent some time as an mx race bike or at least a dedicated dirt bike. Unfortunately, those stripped parts were often lost along the way. That's why they sell well to people looking to restore a bike to stock form. If you factor in the time to disassemble, clean, sort, photograph, list, sell, ship and subtract the ebay gouge, you'd likely be better off selling it for a few hundred bucks as a "parts bike". Who knows - you might even do better. Just for reference, three years ago, I bought a running Model 94 Wombat that was stripped for mx work for $435.

[thrownchain]

Just for our benefit, what do you think you could get out of it whole as opposed to parts?

[Thunderdogdownunder]

Easy bikes to work on and plenty of parts around , keep it as a complete bike .