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BrianZ
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Super Toad troubles

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We had our second race on the vintage schedule this past weekend at Motopark. The weather worked out perfect and the track was in great condition. My Super Combat was laid up due to a loose fit on the lower steering head bearing race, so I had no choice but to race my Super Toad. I really enjoy racing the Super Toad but Motopark is a sandy track with some elevation changes where HP can make a big difference, so I would much rather be on the 125cc bike with that extra push when the throttle is twisted. Regardless, the Toad was the only choice so off I went. The bike performed well for the first two laps and I was having fun (as usual) until I heard a horrible grinding noise followed by a distinct lack of forward motion. I backed off on the throttle and gingerly dropped down a gear and where the noise went away. I limped the bike back the pits and put it on my bike stand (courtesy of the local dairy). As I played with the gearbox I became painfully aware that third gear was AWOL, which is sad because third is one of my favourites. Oh well, I'm done for the day I thought, but my brother was kind enough to lend me his vintage CR125 for the heritage class so at least I got to race, albeit on a bike that was a generation too old for the class I was racing. Getting back to the Toad, today was time for a teardown. First things first, off with it's head!
Super Toad piston re.jpg
Well that's not right :o I guess a new piston is in order.

Getting the clutch cover off, the first signs of transmission troubles:
Super Toad clutch cover re.jpg
Once the cases are split the carnage is obvious:
Super Toad gearbox re.jpg
Super Toad gearbox 1 re.jpg
Here is a picture of the remains of the third cog:
Super Toad gearbox 2 re.jpg
Just to add insult to injury, I noticed this crank seal:
Super Toad crank seal re.jpg
I'm wondering if the spring came off during assembly, while running or during the teardown.

Anyway, I know why the piston failed. It was a NOS part that I had in my parts stash. When I assembled it I noticed that the ring was a tight at one point in the groove (likely where it broke), so I took a small file and cleaned up the groove so the ring would fit correctly. Looking back, it was likely that the piston had been hit on the crown causing a crack that I failed to see. The piece then broke away once the engine was ran. I guess I was lucky that it did not damage anything else.

As for the transmission, I guess the Toad transmission is not quite up to the stresses imposed on it by a Super Rat top end. Any suggestions?

Brian
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Re: Super Toad troubles

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Hello Brian,
Your assessment on why the chip came out of the piston sounds correct. Makes good sense that the ring being "tight" in one spot would caused by someone dropping the piston over it's 40 year history.

I cannot say why your transmission grenaded but there are some other really fast guys out there on Toads like yourself. I am not hearing any troubles with their transmissions. Ivan like you is on a Toad and that ol' guy can fly!! He takes no prisoners and always has a smile. Greg Suetkamp was on a Toad a few years ago and was always giving me fits on the track. I do not think he had problems.

I did have a PVL problem with one of my bikes out in California so Diane Watkins loaned me her bike (Super Toad). Kelly rode like a man possessed and I had all I could do to try and keep up. First lap I did destroy the transmission on her Toad. Sorry Di!

Brian I am sorry to see your trouble with this scooter. I hope you can have it ready for Ormstown.
Se ya down the road a bit.
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Re: Super Toad troubles

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I'm taking the parts to my brother who knows a guy that works with hardening metal. He may have some ideas on what can be done. I'm curious as to whether the main shaft or counter shaft gear failed first, but there is no way to tell at this point.

I won't be bringing a bike to Hodaka Days. I've had some "heart issues" this past winter that haven't yet been resolved so I didn't want to commit to transporting a bike. Finances are also making me reconsider priorities. My wife is keen on having me attend Hodaka Days though, so we are both planning on being there, but "sans bike". I was really looking forward to entering the Bad Rock ride, but perhaps another year.

I'm going to order a piston, and I have the transmission parts in my stash of parts so it won't be long before the Toad is up and running again.

Brian
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