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Super Rat gears
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 am
by muddyrode
Super rat Gears
can someone tell me what the difference is between regular 100 gears and super rat gears
and can i put a set of super rat gears in a standard 100 engine
tried doing a search but could not find anything
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:05 am
by taber hodaka
They are the same, but having super rat gears sounds better. -----------------Clarence as I remember
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:51 pm
by dirty_rat
If you are talking about an Ace 100 gears and a model 93 Super Rat gears, they are the same. The only difference between the two was the primary gears. The Ace 100 had helical cut gears while the Super Rat had straight cut gears (the gear ratios were also different).
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:56 pm
by matt glascock
Thus the cooler sound. Wheeeeeeeeeee, Wheeeeeeeeeeee, Wheeeeeeeeeeeee. Man, I think I'm developing a bit of cabin fever. Hmm...
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:03 am
by muddyrode
so if you would change out the primary gear to change the gearing
the reason i ask is,
I came across a set of super rat primary gears in a box of stuff i picked up
at least it is taged super Rat
thanks
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 am
by matt glascock
You can't mix and match gears from each set, but the entire Super Rat gear set will work in an Ace 100 with 5-speed transmission. You can easily tell the difference on the primary gear. Super Rat gears will have perpendicularly arranged teeth and the Ace set will have angled teeth looking at the gear in a horizontal position. Maybe with this info you can confirm if the tag matches the gear set. My dorky previous post refers to the relative noisiness of the straight cut gears.
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:58 am
by Dale
matt glascock wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 am
You can't mix and match gears from each set, but the entire Super Rat gear set will work in an Ace 100 with 5-speed transmission. You can easily tell the difference on the primary gear. Super Rat gears will have perpendicularly arranged teeth and the Ace set will have angled teeth looking at the gear in a horizontal position. Maybe with this info you can confirm if the tag matches the gear set. My dorky previous post refers to the relative noisiness of the straight cut gears.
Matt, I think there is a need for clarification here.? The transmissions are the same. Only the primary gear and its mated clutch gear are different. So he should be able to swap those two items just fine. I recently built one that way. This is assuming model 93 Super Rat and not the model 98.
Dale
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:15 am
by matt glascock
Yikes Dale, I did leave that a bit vague. I should have been more clear regarding which gears in the sets differ. Yes, just the primary and clutch gears have to match regarding the tooth architecture. Thank you for pointing that out. I hate to be the source of confusion, even though exactly that is often enough the case.
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:29 am
by Dale
matt glascock wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:15 am
Yikes Dale, I did leave that a bit vague. I should have been more clear regarding which gears in the sets differ. Yes, just the primary and clutch gears have to match regarding the tooth architecture. Thank you for pointing that out. I hate to be the source of confusion, even though exactly that is often enough the case.
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:08 am
by muddyrode
thanks to ALL !
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:17 am
by viclioce
So there isn’t a close ratio MX tranny in the Model 93 Super Rats? Hmmm. I was lead to believe that was the big difference.
Can I still hold this idea to be true with the Model 98 Super Rats having a close ratio MX tranny? Just asking for clarification.
Victor
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:52 am
by taber hodaka
There was a close ratio set for the ace 90and their racing crankshafts we used in the super rats. Easy to check the part numbers on the Hodaka Parts Inc website-----Clarence
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:57 am
by viclioce
But the stock Model 93 has the same transmission gears as a Model 92(B). Is that correct?
Victor
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:20 am
by taber hodaka
Part # 924500 the same for (ace 1oo, Model 92 ), (ace 100B, Model 92A ), (ace 100B, Model 92B ), (ace 100B, Model 92B+), ( super rat Model 93 ), ( super rat Model 93A ), ( super rat Model 93B ).------Clarence
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:26 pm
by viclioce
Thanks Clarence for your always insightful response!
Victor
Re: Super Rat gears
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:54 am
by dirty_rat
And to answer your question about the model 98 Super Rat... yes, they had a close ratio transmission (same transmission that was used in the model 97 Super Combat).
Victor