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Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:32 pm
by RichardMott
Besides the Dirt Squirt project with my Grandson, I have another Hodaka in the wings. An Ace 100B. It has taken some twists and turns during the last few weeks. But I am confident it will be a nice runner when done. It is not a total restore, just a re-assembly. Only painting if it component really needs it. I have 95% of the parts I need. The motor is the thing that will be the most challenging if I want to keep the cost down.
The motor case on the Ace 100 is damaged and it looks like I will be using the motor from the 96 DS project.
I recently acquired a 98 Super Rat motor. This might become the DS motor. The parts that are interchangeable between the 3 motors needs further research. Here are some photos of the progress and present state. I used several parts from my old Ace 100B+ that is now my Spyder trials bike. That's 2 bikes that have benefited from my original Ace I bought new in 1973. This bike and my WomAce 125.
- The clutch seems ok.
- Broken boss.
- The seat pan needed repair
- Here is what it looks like todaay
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:11 pm
by viclioce
Rick. What did you use for the seat repair that's already threaded?
Victor
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:56 pm
by RichardMott
Victor,
The original bracket was already threaded M8 1.25. The one I made I used a rivnut, 5/16-18 because at the time I didn't have metric rivnuts. I do now. See link for the set up I bought from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Astro-Pneumatic- ... D272HFTD5J
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:34 am
by Bill2001
On the broken boss at the shifter:
I've wondered if one could make a "chain deflector" that curves around the sprocket and protects that breakable boss from chain contact. The protector could be made of 1/8" steel 3/4" wide and have stout brackets to M10 bolt holes in the case. It should be strong enough to deal with a broken chain and easy to fabricate. I thought of this last time i had the shifter cover off for repairs. I've certainly read enough reports of broken shifter bosses to make it worthwhile.
What do we think?
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:22 am
by taber hodaka
I think the problem was a thrown chain not a broken chain that generally does the damage. --Clarence
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:19 am
by viclioce
Rick. Do you want the set of Ace 100 cases I have? You can have them for shipping if you want them.
I can post a few pics if you want to see them.
Victor
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:18 am
by Bill2001
taber hodaka wrote:I think the problem was a thrown chain not a broken chain that generally does the damage. --Clarence
So by "thrown chain" you mean one that has derailed or jumped off of the front sprocket. That is a whole different ballgame than a broken chain. Sounds brutal...
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:09 am
by Hydraulic Jack
Bill2001 wrote:?..... The protector could be made of 1/8" steel 3/4" wide and have stout brackets to M10 bolt holes in the case.....
Where on the engine case would you place an M10 bolt?
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:45 am
by RichardMott
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:22 pm
by Bill2001
Yes!! That is exactly what I envisioned. I was thinking a bit more clearance between the sprocket and the rail, but I was looking at a different failure mode. I didn't find much here searching this forum on "case saver", I'll need to dig more.
Thanks!
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:23 pm
by thrownchain
The case saver is a very similar design as the one for Sachs motors which also have case damage issues from chains jumping the sprocket. One of the Penton guys designed and fabricated a case saver that bolts under the sprocket cover and doesn't interfere with the cover or sprocket. On the Hodaka there has to be a hole for the shifter shaft, on the Sachs it has to have a hole for the speedo drive, so very similar in design parameters.
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:25 pm
by thrownchain
You could conceivably put both ideas on the same piece, case saver and replacement post. Bolt on and cure 2 problems.
Re: Ace 100 project coming along
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:06 pm
by viclioce
Rick. I fixed my seat today! The idea came to me and it was so simple I don't know why I didn't think of it before! It's posted in my 4th Hodaka 2nd Road Toad thread!
Victor