New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Group,
My daughter and I, resurrected a 1974 Super Rat (98), that had been sitting in a open shed for 22 years. We got it running, and drove it for about 30 minutes before it died. Now it has no spark.
Can I use a multimeter to test the Coil? The CDI unit? The Stator (Inner Rotor/CDI Magneto)?
According to the Wiring Schematic the wires are as listed below:
BK - black (Stop wire)
BK/W - black/white stripe (Ground wire)
BK/R - black/red stripe (Exiting wire)
R/W - red/white stripe (Pulse wire)
W/BU - white/blue stripe (Primary wire)
Does this forum have a test procedure? And specs for resistance values? And a source for parts?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
mike
My daughter and I, resurrected a 1974 Super Rat (98), that had been sitting in a open shed for 22 years. We got it running, and drove it for about 30 minutes before it died. Now it has no spark.
Can I use a multimeter to test the Coil? The CDI unit? The Stator (Inner Rotor/CDI Magneto)?
According to the Wiring Schematic the wires are as listed below:
BK - black (Stop wire)
BK/W - black/white stripe (Ground wire)
BK/R - black/red stripe (Exiting wire)
R/W - red/white stripe (Pulse wire)
W/BU - white/blue stripe (Primary wire)
Does this forum have a test procedure? And specs for resistance values? And a source for parts?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
mike
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Just my guess. I would try a new plug, points and then the rest. Clarence
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Model 98 with CDI (no points). To my knowledge, Hodaka/PABATCO never did publish component specs for the CDI. Sooooo . . . when checking/searching for spark . . .
1) Disconnect kill switch (in case it has a fault)
2) Replace spark plug
3) Check spark plug cap and plug wire for faults
4) Check spark coil for primary winding continuity and resistance (should be fairly low resistance), Check secondary winding for continuity and resistance (resistance should be many times higher than primary winding)
5) Check continuity and resistance of stator coil if possible. (I can't remember the unit well enough to know whether or not this can even be done.)
6) (and I know this was a phrase published back in the day) - substitute known good components into the system till the bad one is found.
Ed
1) Disconnect kill switch (in case it has a fault)
2) Replace spark plug
3) Check spark plug cap and plug wire for faults
4) Check spark coil for primary winding continuity and resistance (should be fairly low resistance), Check secondary winding for continuity and resistance (resistance should be many times higher than primary winding)
5) Check continuity and resistance of stator coil if possible. (I can't remember the unit well enough to know whether or not this can even be done.)
6) (and I know this was a phrase published back in the day) - substitute known good components into the system till the bad one is found.
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
You might check to see if there are any test procedures listed for the 1977-1978 Honda CR 125, (check on a Honda site, etc) as it's ignition was very similar to the Hodaka's (I know some people have used both components and the whole ignition from the Honda on their Hodaka's).
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
A good thought!
Ed
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Group,
I found this 'Testing For No Spark' topic from 2019.
viewtopic.php?t=3655&sid=3a1f7b6c67ffb2 ... fc5d803da6
It seems very useful and shows a 2 D-Cell battery device that you can use to help in the diagnosis.
Plus I have two more questions using the Super Rat Wiring Schematic (98):
1. Is W/BU to Gnd the Primary?
2. Is the spark plug wire to Gnd the Secondary?
Best Regards,
mike
I found this 'Testing For No Spark' topic from 2019.
viewtopic.php?t=3655&sid=3a1f7b6c67ffb2 ... fc5d803da6
It seems very useful and shows a 2 D-Cell battery device that you can use to help in the diagnosis.
Plus I have two more questions using the Super Rat Wiring Schematic (98):
1. Is W/BU to Gnd the Primary?
2. Is the spark plug wire to Gnd the Secondary?
Best Regards,
mike
Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
group,
Oh, and I know that the Super Rat (98) does not have points, but the above 'Testing For No Spark' procedure still looks like a useful thing.
mike
Oh, and I know that the Super Rat (98) does not have points, but the above 'Testing For No Spark' procedure still looks like a useful thing.
mike
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
While I haven't used that technique (3V battery source attached to CDI) for testing . . . I have extreme doubts that it will be useful. A great method for point type ignitions . . . but probably useless on CDI.
Ed
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
PS: . . . though it might be useful to test the ignition coil mounted under the tank (only). Maybe. Possibly.
Ed
Ed
Keep the rubber side down!
Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Yes, to your questions on the primary and secondary of the coil. You can unplug your connector to isolate the coil from the CDI unit and then pulse the W/BU lead to the coil and generate spark at the plug.mpaar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:06 am Group,
I found this 'Testing For No Spark' topic from 2019.
viewtopic.php?t=3655&sid=3a1f7b6c67ffb2 ... fc5d803da6
It seems very useful and shows a 2 D-Cell battery device that you can use to help in the diagnosis.
Plus I have two more questions using the Super Rat Wiring Schematic (98):
1. Is W/BU to Gnd the Primary?
2. Is the spark plug wire to Gnd the Secondary?
Best Regards,
mike
Dale
Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
Plus I have two more questions using the Super Rat Wiring Schematic (98):
1. Is W/BU to Gnd the Primary? YES
2. Is the spark plug wire to Gnd the Secondary? YES
1. Is W/BU to Gnd the Primary? YES
2. Is the spark plug wire to Gnd the Secondary? YES
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Re: New Member - 1974 Super Rat (98) Ran for 30 min and then NO SPARK . . .
It may not be your problem BUT check the crank key for the Rotor. I had that problem on my CR500 when the key sheared. It sure is nice when you have spare parts. The main problem we had back in the day was the Spark Plug cap. It had a aluminum pointed screw that would burn up. Your cap should be a better design. Joe
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